Welcome to Season 4 of Our True Colors! I am happy to introduce my co-host for this season, Yolandie Hamilton. She'll be hangin' with us for the season, so get to know a little bit about her in this episode.
Yolandie Hamilton is a personal style and confidence coach, mom and proud to be the very interesting mix of Jamaica and Poland, with a lot of other stuff in there. She is passionate about giving women back to themselves through style and connecting with others to learn what they are passionate about. She also performs in community theatre and teaches kids improv at summer camps. She is excited to bring her perspective from small town Michigan to the show.
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Welcome to our True Colors hosted by Sean again. Join her as she explores the challenges of being a racial, racial, and ethnic enigma and the cultural conundrum. Let's dive in.
Hey, everybody, welcome. Welcome back to our true colors. I'm so excited because it's been a full year. Actually, I think it's been a little bit longer than a year. So yeah, it's good to be back. Glad to be talking about all of these great things with everyone again, because there's so much that we experienced every day, it's just really wonderful to share this with one another and know we're not alone, have some validation and actually learn from one another at the same time. For this season, I have a new co host. Most of you might remember that I bring on a new co host every season, someone who can relate to the things that we talk about, but also has a slightly different perspective that helps with conversation. Also, it's good to hear from people who don't think or experienced the exact same things you do. So for season four, I'm so glad to welcome Yolandi Hamilton. She is just fantastic. I want to tell you about her. She is a personal style and confidence coach. She's also a mom and very proud to be the very interesting mix of Jamaica and Poland. She's passionate about giving women back to themselves through style and connecting with others to learn what they are passionate about. She also performs in the community theater and teaches kids improv at summer camps. I don't think she's busy at all. Just not at all. Welcome Yolandie. Hi,
hi. No, I'm I'm very bored. I have nothing to do ever.
Nothing. I could. I could tell you. If only you could fill your time. So you're coming to us from Michigan?
Yes, yes. Small Town, basically Mid Michigan. Fun fact. Same town that Madonna is from. There are like murals and plaques all over town. And I actually found out when I was much older that I delivered paper to her grandmother and I didn't know it as like 1213 year old Yeah, I had no idea that I was delivering paper to Madonna's grandma. So fun fact there. And next town over Saginaw is where Stevie Wonder is from. So this whole area is just like a hotbed of talent.
I mean, I guess so. Who knew? I didn't know. Those are fun facts. Wow. Wow. Welcome to the show. Really, just so excited to have you on, you know, of course, Yolanda and I spoke a bit before the start of the season. So I got to know her a little bit, but I'm going to ask her to tell us about herself. So you know her?
Yeah, I am. Like she said mix of Jamaican and polish. I'm a mom, with one on the way I'm doing September of this year, and I will be married in July. So like she said, very busy and so many things going on. That's really me in a nutshell. I could go on and on about hobbies how much I love art. And I love painting with Bob Ross and singing. I will literally sing it any opportunity you give me including the grocery store. I have been known to bust a move and just sing along to the radio.
Okay, I already can tell there's going to be some bonus karaoke episodes coming up. So stay tuned.
Karaoke is one of my favorite pastimes. Not so much these days with being pregnant. My body is like it's nine o'clock. Why aren't we in bed? So, you know, not much karaoke going on these days except for in the car?
Well, I mean, I think that that's a perfectly fine place for karaoke. It doesn't have to happen at any kind of special time of day or whatever. So I don't know maybe we can get our singing out. I love to sing. I'm not gonna say like, I'm super at it. I was in choir in school and you know, did the things that you're, you know, you do as a singing kid. But I just love it. It's just so much fun.
I was too embarrassed in school to join choir or perform. I was on the pom pom squad. So like, I would dance in front of an audience. But if you wanted me to open my mouth, it was not about to happen. I was like, what you want me to speak in front of people and they're gonna listen? I don't think so. So I didn't really find literally find my voice singing wise until about four years ago.
Oh, so how that happened? Like, what was the situation one day you were in the shower? Do you like what? Hang on y'all?
Well, so my sister this is really a whole story in and of itself, because these events led to where we are in life now. And like I was married at the time and my you know, this, ultimately is what ended up leading to the divorce and like being here and being you know, in my business and what I do and ultimately meeting at all Wow,
Okay, y'all can't see I'm like, I'm settling in
popcorn, get some tissues, this is gonna be a ride. So my sister had needed a ride to the local community theater. They were working in the costume loft, they were cleaning things out. And she did not ask. She demanded, basically that I was going to give her a ride. And I was going to come help. And there was no way around it. And I was like, Well, I'm not doing anything this Saturday. So I guess, okay, so I went, had a great time met a lot of good people. We all have lots of things in common. And they do it again, every Saturday. So I was like, Well, I don't think I can come next Saturday, but I can come to one after that. And so I started going all the time. One thing led to another, and I ended up helping on their next production. Backstage, they were doing one act, I think it was called Act One. They're doing a play called Act One, which on Broadway, Tony Shalhoub played the main character, which is actually three separate characters. And so there are some quick changes. So they needed like a team of people to change this actor out from one costume into the other, to visually signify that he was a different person now. And so we had like these really quick changes, we had to practice. But after spending about a week behind the scenes, I could recite about half of the play along with the actors. And so I had been terrified up to this point that being on stage is too difficult. It's like, there's no way I'm going to remember all that. I don't know that I can do that. I just can't, it's just not for me, I'll just hang out backstage. But that week really proved to me that I can do anything I set my mind to. And really, the only difference between the people on stage and myself was that they had been practicing for two months, and I hadn't. And then I thought about that. And I was like, Okay, I've only been back here for like a week. And I know all the things that are supposed to happen. And they've been at it for two months. I was like, I think I can do this. So I auditioned for the next show, which was my fair lady. Oh, yeah. And I was terrified. Because not only did I have to sing in front of people, and they do the singing auditions, typically, one by one, they'll take you back into a room you sing for the director. And then they'll do a reading of the script. It depends that sometimes it's different on the director, they might just skip that part and do callbacks or whatever. But this particular one, they did the singing, and then they did script reading. So then I had not only sing in front of people behind the back doors, which is not real sound. So you're still you're still being heard, you're still heard. And then I had to go like get up and act in front of people, which I had never done before. Other than, like, you know, acting a fool with my friends, because that's what I do. I love making voices and being characters. And, you know, I'm just kind of a weirdo like that. And so I had to get up there and read and I did a really good job. I really wanted to be Eliza Doolittle. But in the play, she's like, 1819. And at the time, I was close to 30.
I mean, wait, maybe Wait, that doesn't matter. We've all seen Greece.
True. True. Yeah. Man. Yeah. But for my very first show, and also the vocal range needed on that part. I just do not have. I am not a Julie Andrews. As I wish I had the range that she did. And so I was just putting the ensemble, which is great for your first production. Sure. And I had a blast. I enjoyed myself tremendously. So then the next show comes along, which they did hair, not to be confused with hairspray. Right? I know. There was the hippies, you know, peace, love and flowers and all
that jazz. hairsprays. Like, what? 10 years before? Yeah,
yeah, civil rights, Baltimore, all that jazz. So here is all the hippies and like, it's just free love. And like, it was kind of wild. I auditioned for that one. And I was in that show. So I did two shows back to back. Meanwhile, at home, the relationship is disintegrating. But that's a positive because I in hindsight, realized, like, I was in a very unhealthy environment, shall we say? And being in the theater really showed me what kind of person I actually was that I was a good person that I was, you know, a kind person that people liked being around me and had fun with me. And these were like the opposite of things that I was hearing at home. So I kept going to the theater and this show, if you've never seen hair before, I highly recommend any opportunity you have. Go and check it out. Even if it's just a local production. It will make you think about the way things are. And there's a scene at the end of Act One that's supposed to be like a mock orgy. Wherever Nobody gets naked. And I didn't know this when I auditioned. So we're sitting in the read through at the first rehearsal. And we get to this end part and the director starts explaining what's happening here. And I'm like, I'm sorry, what I have to,
this is your second show.
This is my second show ever. Okay. And fortunately, this was their summer production, which they only run their summer productions around here for one weekend. So it was only three performances, but the house seats, close to 300 people. So if this sold out, I was getting naked in front of 900 people over the course of three days. And so the directors like, you know, if you're not comfortable getting, you know, totally naked, like just you can fake it, like mock it, there's gonna be lots of smoke and lights obscuring things, don't worry too much about it. And so I'm just sitting there thinking, and I'm like, you know, I am only going to be this young and gorgeous ones. I better do it take off as much as I can. And I did. And it was so liberating. Like, just to know that I have that experience. And I also, sidenote cannot wait to be like 90 years old, telling my great grandkids that I got in front of like, three. Wow, yeah. And then that led into, you know, show after show, I don't think I did a show right after that one. Because fall is just kind of hectic. But then I ended up taking over the Marketing Committee and I got heavily involved in all kinds of other things. And that following spring, I filed for divorce. And I had a whole new lease on life. So from there on, like, I changed jobs, the job that I was in, I changed it because I hated it. I changed it to one that was very similar, which I ultimately ended up not really loving anyway. And here we are now of like, years later, I've got my own thing going on. So really, that one event with my sister changed my whole life.
something you didn't even want to do. You're like, well, I'm
busy. Okay, wait,
I'm not busy. Fine. I'll go help. And then here you are, you know, basically your story. I mean, it's really cool. You know that you had those experiences, but what I really hear is basically a story of self love. Exactly. It's a story of self love. You're like, I can do this. People want to be with me, I'm kind head,
watch this. I'm about to take my clothes off your watch.
I mean, I mean, I just but seriously, it's so hard sometimes for women in particular, to love themselves. That was a journey that I had to go through. And I tell folks that I think much of that came as I was transitioning into my 40s That was a rough time. Oh my God, it was such a rough time. But I just remember, you know, the struggle, but you know, thank God for friends, family, and a hell a good therapist, who helped me love myself. And you know, I gained my my COVID-19. And I I am not a spring chicken as they would say, but you know what, like, I think I feel better about myself today. And my 40s than I did 10 years ago, maybe 15 years ago, I didn't have that self confidence. I didn't have self love. So actually, I really love your story. It illustrates the power that can come from just carrying about you. Yeah, yeah,
it really changed the way that I think about who I am as a person and how that is formed. And the effects that other people can have on us that we don't necessarily realize at the time. You know, they say hindsight is always 2020. And like looking back over my life, like I never really grew up accepting who I was. And actually, I just found an old journal from middle school when I was like 13 and I was reading through some entries. And I found one in there. It was like a winter dance or something. And nobody had asked me and I have my eye on this one particular guy and I was really hoping you'd ask me because he hadn't asked anybody yet. And then I had found out in the next entry like he asked Emily or something I don't know who it was at this point. But he asked somebody else to go to the dance and I was like devastated. And this whole entry just broke down how like unlovable I was and you know, it's because I'm not white and it's because I'm you know, too fat and because I'm all these like horrible things that I was telling myself. I was as a person, and I was not any of those things. Like I look back now and pictures. From that time I found I still have my old yearbooks. I'm like A memory hoarder. And I looked through this yearbook, and I was looking at pictures of myself and I was like, I am so cute.
Look at me.
I was like, all in my 90s glory with my curly poof. And like my scrunchies I was I was adorable as hell, and like to look at that person, and then to read the words that person wrote, There was such a disconnect. And I can see now how those formative years really carried throughout my entire life. And ended up in that marriage that I was in and, you know, just basically giving up my freewill to like, pacify the the home situation and to, to constantly appease my partner and make sure that everything they wanted, they got and you know, and that's what I thought, relationships, words, compromise, and I'm not going to be happy 24/7 And I could not have been more wrong. So, you know, I will just say, if you're in a relationship right now, and you're listening, and you are not happy 24/7 Like, look at your values, look at who you are, look at how you think about yourself and what the other person is saying about you to you, because it might not be the best situation for you.
Yeah, yeah, that's powerful. I mean, because sometimes when you're in the thick of things, it's too hard to see. Right? You You don't have you, it's very difficult to rise above and sort of just look at things from the, you know, the helicopter perspective as it were, because you're in it. So yeah, I it makes sense. I think even if you aren't in a situation like that, it's not a bad idea to check in with your values. Make sure that you're going in the direction that makes sense for what you value, what you believe in and, and who you are. So I think that's just good advice. No matter what, you know, you were talking about 13 year olds, you yourself that age and weight. Well, just just to give our listeners an idea what how would you describe your generational cohort? I'm a Gen X are all the way.
Oh, I am an elder millennial. Oh, okay.
So I said gen x all the way. But I have also adopted this existential thing where you're like at the end, I'm like at the end of Gen X, but still kind of bleed into millennial, but I still feel definitely more Gen X and Millennial. So you're an elder millennial?
Yes. Okay. I'm a senior millennial, I am part of your Isaiah, part of the council. If the other Millennials need advice, they can cut elders. But they don't.
They don't because they don't need to Yolandi well,
we don't have any advice to really give them anyway, because we still don't know what we're doing. So I mean,
who does that life security for a reason? Right? Exactly. We figured out some things you were like, oh, we should have known that. 25 years ago, but okay. Yeah. So going back to your 13 year old self and the self talk, you know, it made me think, you know, as you're telling a story, I was reflecting on my own sort of middle school, early high school years. And, you know, something you said, you're like, it's because I'm not white, right. So I went to, for for during that time in my life, I was going to a private school, a Christian school, actually. And it was pretty homogenous. There were some there were some people of color. They're very few. I wasn't a cheerleader. I wasn't an athlete. I wasn't on Student Council. I think one year I did like Secretary I don't know. But like, I was just a me. But I never felt like it was just like this. God leave make me popular, which was synonymous with God, I don't I'm not white. And I don't fit. And there's some shame as I think about that, like, what I saw to be cool. Popular, the people that everybody wanted to be around was very much not me or other people of color in my school. And that's so sad. Like I just wanted so badly to belong to that group. I wanted to shop at the limited or like, was the thing Yeah, so that was tough. And and like nowadays, I so embrace my blackness and who I am and I'm so grateful to have found self love. Because imagine like, just going on your entire life, thinking you're not good enough. Because your skin's not a certain color. Your eyes are under a certain color because your hair doesn't swing in the breeze. I don't have pants Seen hair. Well I do now because Pantene has come out with like, for curls. When I don't use Pantene, y'all mantiene did not endorse this. They're not a sponsor of it. Panting call me like, if you want to talk me. But anyway. And yeah, that's yeah, that's you were making me think about those days.
Yeah. And see, I even though I have a very small town that I grew up in, went to school in here. There's still a fairly like, diverse population, like within the school. And well, it's it is a majority white, like, there are still, you know, we have a large population of Mexicans, we have a large black population, and there's lots of intermingling. But it was the same within the school, like all of the smart, popular kids were, you know, the white kids, with a few exceptions. And then, not to say that they weren't like the cool kids, but the ones that you felt were like, really cool, and like, St. Cool. Those were like, that was the other side like the quote, wrong side of the tracks as they used to say. And that was all the like ethnically diverse kids. And it felt like it felt kind of like looking at a commercial for like Tommy Hilfiger. Wendy's, you know, where it was, like, super urban. And they had like, you know, the big pants and like, you could easily like, drop everybody from that from a Tommy Hilfiger commercial into like a Tupac video and they would, you know, instantly fit.
Oh, my God, I so funny. I've never ever, ever, ever associated Tommy Hilfiger with like, quote, Urbanus ever. How funny.
Yeah, that was that was like there, I remember very vividly wanting Tommy Hilfiger jeans, because that's what those cool kids were wearing. I wanted to be as cool as they were. And I could not afford Tommy Hilfiger growing up, and my mom was like, I'm not spending that on jeans. So you get whatever Deb has on sale, you can have your mud jeans and that you can be happy with it. Which was more along the lines of what like the other cool kids were wearing. So I had like, two cool subsets there was like, the smart jock group. And then like, the cool streetsmart we don't care so much about school, but we go because our parents make us kind of a group. And it was very, like, racially divided. And I doubt it was on purpose. It's just how things you know, happen. Like, I don't think kids went to school and we're like, I'm not talking to you, you're white. I'm not talking to you because you're black. And then there's me in the middle. Like, I'm not really like you guys, but I'm not really like you guys either. So like, where do I fit? And I think, you know, like, we we just want that sense of certainty that we like fit somewhere that we belong. And growing up, like, for me, I didn't have that because people didn't know quote, what I was. And even yesterday, I was in the grocery store in line and this man in front of me is older man striking up, you know, conversation with everybody around tool, talk to him, turns around to me and says, you know how you doing today? And I was like, Oh, I'm good. And he's like, are you Indian? And I was like, no. Because Oh, okay, just because you know, you got you got the scan you got you got a beautiful skin color. And I was like, thank you. And that was like pretty much the extent of the conversation. But I was I realized later like, I missed an educational opportunity for that man that I could have been like, you know, you didn't have to ask the question. You could have just jump right to saying I have beautiful skin. And that would have been enough. But the like the whole, you know, what are you people just made assumptions. My one they still still do, as demonstrated, like as to where I fit in and where I belong. Meanwhile, I'm over here. Like, I don't know where I go. So I'll just I'm just like the floater. I'll just join one, one group as I feel and then we'll jump over here to the other one.
Yeah, no, I get that. Your your story of the two sets of cool kids makes me think of West Side Story, but I feel like there needs to be like a sequel because that's more about like the interracial couple but like what happens when there's a kid? I feel like is there a sequel to Westside story? I don't I don't know. But anyway,
I've honestly never seen West Side Story. Oh, that is not one that I've made my rounds to yet.
Have you see me outsiders? It's based on the same story.
I'm very specific when I sit down to watch anything. Doesn't have magic in it. And is it fantastical? And is it about like the hero's journey? Is the hero a female these days? So, or is it a romantic comedy? Or can I get elements of all of that? Because if we can get all of that and then I'm like I'm set for life. So
okay, let's Sooners assignment, start sending a 1d, a movie list. Got it?
My fiance has a field day with this. He's like, Oh, have you seen blah, blah, blah? And I'm like, No. Why would I watch that? And he's like, what's, like, what's something everybody has seen? Like Scarface. I feel like everybody has seen like Scarface. And I'm like, No,
I never saw scarf, Harry Potter. Harry Potter is fantastical. It's got magic. All the things, you know, there's comedy. There's romance. It's I don't know, the later years.
Yeah, there's just something. I don't know. I never got into Harry Potter. Yeah, I just, I just like what I like very specifically. Try not to venture out of that.
Okay. Give us one example. What's one one movie like?
Um, I love Stardust by Neil Gaiman. Okay, it's a book and then they turned it into a movie. He's got Michelle Pfeiffer in it as the witch chasing. So short synopsis if you've never seen or read the book, there's a boy in the city in England, and he is pining over this girl. And he takes her on this little picnic in the movie version. i It's been a long time since I've read the book. So I'll give the movie synopsis. And while they're having this little picnic, shooting star falls overhead and he says, you know, I'll bring that to you for your birthday in a week. If you'll marry me, and she's like, if you bring that to me, then I will marry you. But she has no interest in him whatsoever. She's like a total brat. And so he goes on this quest to find this star. But the star fell on the other side of the wall which on the other side of the wall is this fantastic magical kingdom. And by the end of the movie, you find out that not only is he like the last living royal male heir to the kingdom of this this magical kingdom. But he ends up falling in love with the star which the star is actually human beings played by Claire Danes. Yeah, and he like his life is transformed he's like this cool like self-assured You know, king by the end of the movie with his beautiful queen and I just love it. Absolutely love it. I
have never heard of this movie. But now I have to go check it out. Michelle Pfeiffer Claire date, like really? Yeah.
Okay. All right.
Well, I know we're gonna we're getting close to wrapping up for for this episode. And of course, you're going to be with us throughout the season, which is so exciting. It's really good to know what you're about and, and the movies you like. But I guess just maybe tell us a little bit about I mean, you started to you talked about the grocery store. But how you navigate your spaces, you know, what kind of experiences you have, as you think about sort of your own identity and your your small town as you describe it. And yeah, just a little bit of what like life is like for you. It's really
peaceful honestly, at this point is the best way to describe it. Because before I felt like I needed to keep every like interesting part of me compartmentalized so there was the work me the home me the mom me, the eventually then the theater me. And now like, I can just be all of those at once, no matter where I'm at. So I can still be the mom in the grocery store. But I can also sing and incorporate the theater me and love every second of it. And, you know, if some old lady is staring at me down the cereal aisle, I don't care, because I'm having a great time and if you're scowling and having an awful time, well then go over to the next aisle with the tomatoes and leave me alone.
I take that. I take that. Yeah, well, what else should we know about you? Yolandi as we get ready to dive into the season.
I love the whoo that's a big part of my life. I've already called it the woo these days. You know, so like crystals tarot cards. I have a giant crystal ball on my windowsill here behind the computer. Actually, my tarot cards are right next to it too. I love all that witchy stuff. So what is
the whoo I don't know the Whoo.
So the Woo is like, I guess I could call it the slang term for like spirituality. Okay, and so anybody who's into you know, like psychic medium kind of stuff and the crystals and energy healing all the Claire's you know, being psychic like clairaudience clairvoyance. I don't know what you know about those. But yeah, they tend to just call it the woowoo these days. And I'm like, I don't know what was wrong with spirituality. But we're we're in the womb now. So
it's just encompassing all of that.
All of that just falls under one big blue umbrella.
And how did you get to that space? What what is enthralling about it to you?
I actually grew up with it. So, like I mentioned, my dad is from Jamaica. And he, when I was teenager tried to teach me some voodoo rights, I was not disciplined enough. So that didn't go very far at all. But it always, like sparked an interest in like, what else is there. And so I read a lot about like voodoo and hoodoo and the different like, types of where those fallen, as well as like the spiritualist movement back in the 1800s. Edgar Casey and then like I got into crystals and actually fell into a hole of conspiracy theories for a hot minute there, I will not lie, some of them are very intriguing about how humans came to be like, the aliens manipulated our DNA, which is why you can't find a missing link. And that was a fun one to like, indulge in for a minute. And know if anybody's listening, I do not believe that. But as a teenager, it was a fun fantasy to have. When you look up at the night sky, just to imagine there's some other race like watching over us like we're like a pet science project. But yeah, I've just always continued to investigate and learn as to like, what else is there? I just want to know everything. Wow, I'm a knowledge like, junkie like I need to know things all the time. If I ever stop learning and asking questions, it's because I'm dead. And I no longer have breath in my lungs.
I hear you. I hear you. I'm much the same way I don't. I don't slow down when it comes to checking out our world and learning things. So How fascinating. How fascinating. Yeah, I know a little bit about that space, the blue. But only because I've met folks. It's not like anything that it was ever introduced to me fully. I feel like, and in talking with people, there's a lot that's misunderstood about it, and so on. So I don't know, maybe as we traverse through the next months with the season, there'll be opportunity to sort of touch on some of those things and, and learn a little bit about that. Through your, your perspective as well. So
I certainly hope so. I love it.
Well, Yolandi I'm so excited that you're going to be with me this season. So many great things happening for you in your life. Where can people find you? What what do you have going on? I know it's very little we talked about how bored you are and all that. But in the times that you're not bored, being facetious. What are you doing? Where can people find you?
You can find me on Instagram at Hamilton styling. That's where I do all my business stuff. But I will be mentioning what we're doing here there as well. So you can follow me there. I also have a Facebook group that you could join. And I do trainings in there about once a week and masterclasses fun challenges for style and confidence. And I have my own little podcast, which is really just my thoughts on mixing psychology and style and things going on in the world. And that is intentional style. Oh, the group is thoughtful style on Facebook.
Okay, yeah, yeah, just just a couple little things.
A couple little things just went much,
much just masterclasses in groups and trainings and
kids and clients and
theaters, you know, so go check out Yolandi and all of her wonderful things. Of course,
everything will be in the show notes too, so you can find it
there as well. Anyway, this is just the beginning. Welcome. Welcome to our two colors, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.
Me too. It's gonna be great. It is.
Alright, well, we're gonna catch you next time. Thanks so much. You
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